Interview FriendsWithYou|个人展览"Ocean-Temple of the Sacred Heart"

——是在2002年起动的FriendsWithYou，怎么样开始了？

我们通过朋友在呼啸在SAM 90年代遇见，作为konsepuchuaru·艺术·运动成立FriendsWithYou了。开端好像为了反对对在作为呼啸场景的主要的信条的PLUR(和平，爱，统一，尊敬的省略)体现的我们来说的嬉痞而到处活动。想新做从当初开始在现代汇合的supirichuariti的状态。另外，像亚历杭德罗·hodorofusuki产生的<犀牛共魔术>这个新词那样，作为给心灵治疗的工具使用艺术的主意也在创造的核心了。希望宇宙的功率支持我们，在宇宙的全部作为FriendsWithYou的想法下，为目标以作出逼近，来的孤独和好像能格斗的安慰的艺术的了。

我们现在也正从TURY那个23年一起活动。第一次因为共同画绘画所以开始了，但是因为还没有了明确的方法论所以开始做了作为布制玩偶销售的软件·雕刻。以及知道用来抽出主人的可能性的魔法的力住在那些了。

——和然后FriendsWithYou产生作品珍惜的想法？

TURY我们的什么有的有趣中的一个使用像年幼的小孩那样的表达的造型以及方法，认为是传更深的留言。不放开作为艺术家的姿势hatoiuto，像小孩那样的惊奇的感觉，从世界得到灵感。正因如此为作为社会的一员起作用经常顶着了针对人生感到吃惊，不可以而兴奋的想法。原来是自己作为纯朴的kiteikuuedeno处理继续珍惜的东西，但是想在全世界共享那个。即使感觉到想随意地兴奋地玩快乐也一整天可以感到兴奋的。

在SAM佛罗里达长大的我渡过了粗暴的小孩时代，TURY有许多逆境，两个都是14岁，并且不得不离开房子了。因此比人更早早必须成为了大人。dakaraka，现在，大人ninattekaramo被闲置，梦见，看蓝天，想，和谁的范本成为，剩了模范和许多给能成为的什么的空间吧。是游戏是神圣的东西，并且像小孩那样感到吃惊，憧憬的自由，并且我们相信任何人有大的梦，并且正把爱，希望，好奇心，游戏作为主要的要素对所有的作品拿进来。

——请听一点分别的小孩的时分的事情。关于最初体验创造的高兴的记忆。

SAM粗暴，并且虽然粗暴了可是认为是强壮的小孩。有许多纠纷，并且经常被卷入各种各样的事情。自己长大的佛罗里达是像威廉·高丁仿佛好像作为"苍蝇的王"的低洼那样的地方。天黑了，拼死幸存了下来。和正作为爱和给和平的战士活动的现在的我们的生活对照性(笑)。此时即使是我谜一样，但是由于工具以及球棒弄坏玩具，是在半夜三更有的电灯的热，并且把那些溶解于，在做奇妙的塑料的块。

作为TURY小孩时代的记忆最鲜明记住的是什么和哥哥一起在自己长大的古巴创造。使用在后院找到的东西，做精心的结构，在原来在那个展开有关师鱼拼贴画的故事了。

——个人展览"Ocean-Temple of the Sacred Heart"把焦点用在把想像上的神话"Ocean"换成主题的新的绘画以及雕刻。是由什么样的主意产生的东西吧？

SAM"Ocean"是表现用来更亲密做与人们，自己以及起作用的地球的关系的新自然主义性的主意的一系列的神话。这个概念迄今为止从想做把好像能解释我们来临的人们连接在的新的神话的想法出生了。就是说，正在现代风格安排所有宗教，从以前起在国家扔掉某一个想法全部，让人们对自己恢复作为称为母亲的自然和起源的神仙的开端的宗教。因为原来我们从海来，几乎正在海水的成分能够，有像波那样跳动的心脏所以。

在"Ocean"改变TURY地球的名字，是想要重写把我们住在的地方叫做地球的历史的行动。感觉到现代的历史也正使人类比自然优先自然。原来地球蓝色，并且没作为茶色的行星存在。在作为超过自己的存在的生态系统中，想同样出示根据伦理汇合的新的框架的神话。为重新看现在有我们的地方和未来恢复作为全体逮捕自然的更作为horisutikku的想法，正在人类的功率·动力学装地球和想重新调整的想法。

——在FriendsWithYou的主题以及作品中流动的泛灵论是从以前开始一直也在以亚洲代表的日本渗透的思想，有从那样的亚洲的文化受到影响的部分吗？

宇宙是你的支持的我们的主要的主意，在所有的作品的主题的核心的东西，并且是这个主意，并且玩很喜欢灵魂对SAM泛灵论就是说所有的东西有的想法。以及日本对我们来说是大的灵感。使用象征以及字符，回想感情，做启示人们的那种方法是在我们的作品的建设的核心的东西。

尽管正受到TURY影响但是正非常受到对泛灵论说的话起因于母亲正在古巴实践的西面非洲的宗教，自然现象等的泛灵论的非常原始的信仰系统的yoruba教影响。

——不分担职责而是按照书面意思一起在做作品的两个人，第一次的一步是什么样的东西？

如果可能从TURY会话开始的话，可能有一起坐下，开始画绘画的事情。正两个都做实际的会话和视觉上的交流。比方说关于这篇神话看"过。"共有分别的主意，什么针对再混在一起的创造的波用主意一起习惯出色，联合作业很有趣。正在两个人在海做潜水，是在看到哪里流动的感觉。

因为有和两个SAM，也不枯萎的灵感的泉(笑)所以。看神话，看艺术，可能有把从什么到人生经历，冥想以及实验，研究得到的想法对作品带进去的事情。因为和强大的艺术家和自己几乎同样地工作所以还能完全实现不作为形状的主意以及展望。什么是是什么一起做，并且能作出好像作为魔法的词组，在最大限度表现在自己中的东西或者意想不到的方法，并且能使梦成为现实出色的话想。

——顺便怎么知道完成了？　意见可能破？

用两个SAM tomoga领会到的时间点是完成的瞬间。因为如果不能认为我们喜欢的话，不能在世界送出去所以。可能常常撞上只我们不能理解的困难的状况。那时互相互相拿出意见，推进主意，把那个换成形状。因为各种各样的主意总是正打旋所以作为一个美丽的展览完成的这样是真地令人兴奋的冒险。

不仅是否作为对TURY自己来说值得的表达的议论而且做。正因为有激情才可能有变得有时冲动的事情。不过，花23年，更向前尊重彼此的意见，能找到了建成新的东西的协商的方法的话正确实体会。

——在消除信心，碰了墙的时候，怎么渡过了？

表现TURY姿态，努力。认为那个是最作为简单的处理中的一个。以及必须适应失败的事情以及不完美的状态。约定一般的方向，不过每天向前出现，竭尽全力，浇淋浴，吃饭，做工作出界，在成功之前又做。有信念，从事主意的跟大的主意连通。因此认为不存在失败这个概念。被在失败的以前得到知识，所有的相互作用值得的话正逮捕。

不认定SAM我们经常完美地做事物吧。因为在粗糙的部分以及难看的部分，时候有人类的特点，感到奇怪的sakosoni美所以。事物被数码化，完美，并且随着变得美丽人们被污染了，有粗糙的部分，难看的瞬间变得不被有的东西吸引吗？

——两个人怎么样给艺术下定义？

表现在TURY人类的活动中不容分辨地流进来的东西的行为。

被作为SAM主意和创造物出示的人类活着的对话。

——和为用自由做无偏斜的表达需要的事情？

从心里毫不畏惧创造SAM。

TURY失败的意志。

——和没入型安装以及盛装游行，雕刻，绘画，卡通片，实况表现，，另外，是与品牌的协作复杂的场，种类，方法，并且表现，活动的理由？

为做TURY强大的艺术一直认为演播室必须作为艺术家一个人充满的想法是过去的东西。为做现代性的未来性的新的艺术需要更加强有力的智囊。因此把艺术家以及技术员，哲学家，其他的合作者卷入吧的主意是自然，容易对是两个人，并且总是正做协作的我们来说做的形状。另外，为作为独唱的艺术家产生优秀的艺术的唯一的存在的想法喝好像作为已经微小的神话的东西而想。

从SAM美术的世界，从小的小孩到学术性的人，单纯的人们有想触所有的人们想法。用谁的主意和梦，是欢迎。各种各样的种类的作品是用来遇见在不同的地方的人们的工具。即使没正做直接协作也参加了我们的社区的人们用艺术同样多样化，正有兴趣对更加进化的。以及有对我们的故事全部夺回力的团结的羁绊。是sorekosoga，"Ocean"的主意的源头。我们不仅是故事的创造者而且是故事里面的艺术家。以及创造新的世界，行星的是所有的艺术家，并且是我们的故事。对艺术家，有主意，在那个主意有力。因此如果我们使力相协调的话，相信能做真地强大的东西。

——实际上体验在PARCO MUSEUM TOKYO的展览会的感想怎么样了？

超过TURY期待。真地认为是作为majikaru的空间。我们想传的在这个世上没有意义的不过在确实好像作为这个世界上的东西的某种的神秘的其他的时空的那样的感觉传达，很幸福。我们经常想要作出的是留在回忆的经验，但是这个展览毫无疑问带来那个的话正确信。

SAM这几年来的作品聚集在这个空间，能在美丽的经验和地方正好在场，真地感到高兴。为完成被在分别包含的主意以及想法以及那个是需要的全部，并且那个是在中的一个成为，并且在眼睛的打中做出生的功率和感动，和高兴爱，胸充满。

——是从鉴赏的人们有什么样的反馈的话好的东西？

来自体验TURY艺术的人们的反馈很兴致勃勃。一边艺术几乎是像实验那样的东西，并且对我们来说试主意，一边人们怎么感到，或者怎么有同感，或者在看在心怎么回响。因此那个在什么样的东西是有反馈的话能而且注意。人们怎么样接触艺术注意的实际占我们的艺术的大的部分。有"关系的美学"这个语言，但是鉴赏者在PARCO MUSEUM TOKYO来，是因为和作品对话所以出生的经验kosoga我们想的真的艺术。

SAM是那样。我们看的人实际上怎么感到那个虽然也正在网络上投稿可是能不知道。因此人们把艺术换成眼睛的打中，他们在真的体验艺术，的时候总是对我们表现感到了什么了感到高兴。好的事情不好的卑鄙的什么样的感情是最好的反馈。

——当这次展览的时候具有涩谷PARCO的印象？

很喜欢作为SAM东京和涩谷的象征性的地标的PARCO！　要各位能体验我们的艺术的机会，很感到高兴，令人惊奇地修长，并且亲切，并且很感谢正支援我们的NANZUKA和那个家族。

正从TURY改修前多次来玩。在美术展览室以及博物馆，也看许多的出色的作品了。PARCO证明产品正需要艺术以及设计，经常是在支持那样的制造业的刺激溢出来的地方。

——用这次的前往日本，打算渡过怎么样地东京？

适应TURY东京这个市镇，享受在这个地方的，吃许多味道好的东西，也想要去美术馆，想。对从位于地球的相反一侧的国家来的我们来说，有什么样的文化的活动被人知道的，刺激性的高汤很兴致勃勃。

SAM前些日子被逝世的田名网敬一的大规模的个人展览认为去"田名网敬一记忆的冒险"吧。能见他真地感到高兴了，很喜欢了。森美术馆的"出色了，虽然当从地狱"回家的时候路易丝·资产阶级展据说可是nimo打算去。因为这次许多作为同志的朋友来自洛杉矶当和他们一起各种各样看，能享受了所以的时候感到高兴。日本有许多味道好的umai东西，接触日本文化，想又得到灵感。

FriendsWithYou, an art collective based in Los Angeles. Spreading their unifying message of 'Magic,' 'Luck,' and 'Friendship,' they have been creating interactive art that fosters new human connections. Their solo exhibition 'Ocean - Temple of the Sacred Heart' was held at PARCO MUSEUM TOKYO.

In this exhibition,they've created a fictional myth called'The Book of OCEAN,'which commemorates the heroes who devoted their lives to the algorithmic war to liberate humans from the various devices that control us and return us to nature. Beneath the pop, KAWAII, and playful world they show lies a message: to remind us of Earth's original form as a planet of oceans and to unite all living beings that inhabit it. Samuel Albert Borkson (referred to as SAM), born in Florida, and Arturo Sandoval III (referred to as TURY), born in Cuba, discuss their works that are completed through the experience of the viewers.

——Since FriendsWithYou started in 2002, could you share how the two of you met and how your collaboration began?

SAM　We met through friends by going to raves in the 90s and founded FriendsWithYou as a conceptual art movement. In the beginning, it was kind of our hippie movement that epitomized the main tenets of the rave scene, PLUR: peace, love, unity, respect. We wanted to create new modes of spirituality for modern times. The idea of using art as a tool for healing,as in the term"psychomagic"coined by Alejandro Jodorowsky,has also been central to our creative process. We invoked the power of the universe to be conspiring in our favor and with the idea that everything in the universe is FriendsWithYou. And our goal was to battle the looming isolation we felt by creating healing art.

TURY　Twenty-three years have passed since then and we are still working together. We started out by collaboration on paintings,but we didn't yet have a clear methodology,so we began making soft sculptures,which we sold as plush toys. Then we discovered that those were in turn imbued with magical powers as a way of helping the owners manifest their own potential.

——What do you value in the creation of your work?

TURY　I think one of the things that makes our work interesting is to use childlike figuration and mannerism to communicate deeper messages. Our stance as artists is that we don't let go of the child's wonder and to be inspired by the world. We've always resisted the notion that to be a functional member of society,you must not have your sense of wonder and excitement about life. It is something important that we have always tried to hold onto as our own way of coping with our existence and we want to bring it to the world, that it's okay to feel whimsy, happy, excited, wanting to play and being thrilled all day long.

SAM　Growing up in Florida, I had a pretty rough childhood and TURY also had a lot of adversity and both of us had to leave home at the age of14. As young kids, we had to grow up quicker than others. Maybe that's why, now, in our adult life, we have left a lot of space to play, dreaming, looking at the blue sky, and thinking, something that can be examples and models for the rest of the world. We believe that play is holy, that wonder and dreaming like children is freedom, and that everyone has a huge dream inside of them, so we incorporate love, hope, curiosity, and play as the main ingredients of every artwork.

——Please tell us a little about each of your childhoods and also about your first memory of experiencing the joy of creation?

SAM　I think I was pretty violent, but I was tough. There was a lot of trouble, always involved in all sorts of them. I grew up in Florida,which was kind of a swamp,like William Golding's"Lord of the Flies。" It was dark time and I was just trying to survive. It's a stark contrast to our lives today, where we are active warriors for love and peace. In those days, strangely enough, I would break toys with tools and bats and melt them together with the heat of a light bulb I had in the middle of the night to make strange plastic blobs.

TURY　The most vivid childhood memories of creation were with my brother in Cuba, where I was raised. We would build these elaborate constructions in the backyard with found objects and developed an entire story line about the bricolages.

——Your solo exhibition"Ocean-Temple of the Sacred Heart"focuses on new paintings and sculptures based on the imaginary myth"Ocean。" Could you tell us about the ideas that inspired these works and how they developed?

SAM"Ocean"is a series of myths that represent a neo-naturalistic idea to bring people closer to their relationship with themselves and our living planet. The idea of"Ocean"came from us with a desire to create a new mythology that would unite people in a way that would explain what we have been doing the whole time. In other words, we are putting a modern spin on the origins of religion, focusing on beginnings, which is to throw out all previous ideas from all religions and countries and bring humans back to ourselves, back to Mother Nature and the gods of our origin. To begin with, we come from the sea, we are mostly made of seawater, and we have a heart that beats like a wave.

TURY It is also an effort to correct and rewrite the history of calling the earth we live on to"Ocean。" I feel that modern history prioritizes humans over nature. In the first place, the earth is blue, and there was never a brown planet, was there? In the same way, we wanted to present the myth of a new framework that aligns with our ethics in an ecosystem that goes beyond its current understanding. In order to rethink where we are and what the future holds, we wanted to return to a more holistic view of nature as a whole and realign human power dynamics with the planet.

——Animism, a theme that runs through FriendsWithYou's work, seems to resonate with Asian culture, including Japan. How do you think this culture has influenced you both?

SAM It has been a huge inspiration-the idea of animism,that everything has a soul and that the universe is acting in your favor,is at the heart of our main idea,the core of all our work,and we love playing with this idea. Japan has also been a great inspiration to us. Using symbols and characters to evoke emotions and inspire people is at the core of what we do.

TURY　Although deeply influenced, when it comes to animism, I am very much influenced by Yoruba religion of West Africa, which my mother practiced in Cuba, and a very primitive belief system rooted in an animistic view of natural phenomenon, etc.

——The two of you literally work together on a piece of art without sharing roles, what is the first step like?

TURY　Sometimes it starts with a conversation, other times we sit down and start drawing. We communicate both verbally and visually. We share references and ask each other,for example,"Have you heard about this myth?"And so on. It is amazing to get so comfortable with our creative wave of sharing each idea and remixing ideas together, and the collaborative process is very interesting. It is exactly the feeling of jumping into the ocean and seeing where the currents take you.

SAM　Yes, it is. We both come with very fertile spring of inspiration. Each of us may bring to the work new myths we have read, art we have seen, experiences we have had in life, thoughts we have had from meditation, from experiments and research, etc. Working with another artist as powerful as myself allows me to realize ideas and visions that aren't fully formed. It is wonderful that together,we can create new magical phrases and bring out the fullest expression of what's inside us,often manifesting dreams in unexpected ways.

——By the way, how do you know the work is finished?　Do you sometimes have disagreements?

SAM　When we both like it because we both have to love it for it to go out into the world. Sometimes we run into difficult situations that we can't figure it out on our own. In those cases, we push each other sharing ideas and mold them. So it's always an exciting adventure to see all the different ideas swirl together to create this beautiful show.

TURY　Of course there are arguments where we try to express what is valuable to us. Sometimes we get emotional because we're passionate about it. But I feel that over the course of 23 years, we have found a way to talk about things in a more positive and mutually respectful way that builds something new.

——When you have lost confidence or hit a wall, how have you overcome it?

TURY　I feel like showing up and trying is the one of the easiest ways to deal with that. And you have to get comfortable with failing and not being perfect. We are committed to a general direction: just be positive every day, show up, do your best, shower, eat dinner, work out, and try again until it works out. Having faith in the commitment to an idea leads to bigger ideas. That's why I don't believe in the concept of failure. We gain knowledge beyond failure, and we see value in every interaction.

SAM　We don't always try to make things perfect. Because there is beauty in rough edges, ugliness, sometimes in humanity, and in strangeness. As things become more digitized, perfect, and beautiful, I think people will be attracted to things that are messy, have rough edges, and show moments of ugliness.

——How do you define art?

TURY　Any human activity that channels what is undeniable to our will.

SAM　Living dialogue of humanity presented as these ideas and creations.

——What do you believe is necessary for free and unbiased artistic expression?

SAM　Just create from your heart with no fear!

TURY　The will to fail.

——Why you work in a wide variety of fields, genres, and methods, including immersive installations, parades, sculptures, paintings, animations, live performances, and collaborations with brands?

TURY　I have always thought that the idea that to make powerful art, an artist must be alone in the studio is outdated. In order to create truly modern and futuristic art, you need an even more powerful brain. So the idea of involving other artists, engineers, philosophers, and other collaborators was being a natural and doable form for us, as we have always collaborated together. I also think that the idea that artist as a solo are the only ones who create great art is also now a bit of a myth.

SAM　We want to touch the whole world from the fine art to everyone, from small children, to the most academics, to the most humble or simple people.". Everyone is welcome into our ideas and dreams. So different types of works reach people in different ways. Even if we are not collaborating directly, those who join our community are equally interested in diversifying and pushing further their art works. And there is a unifying thread that return the power to all of our stories. That is a big part of the idea for"Ocean。" We are not only creators, we are artists inside of the story. And it is all artist and our stories that creates a new world, a new planet. Artists have ideas, and those ideas have power. So I believe that if we work together we can make something really powerful.

——How was the experience of your solo exhibition at PARCO MUSEUM TOKYO?

TURY　Super excited this looks amazing it's beyond our expectations. It's beyond our expectations and a truly magical space. I felt the ethereal other time and space, which doesn't make sense in this world, but it definitely is of this world, that feeling wanted to convey. We always aim for creating a memorable experience, and we are confident that this exhibition will definitely bring that.

SAM　I am so happy to be able to be see this space where all of our works from the past few years come together to becoming a beautiful experience. I'm so proud of us and what we've made and when I see it together and witness the power, all the ideas and feelings that go into each piece and all that it takes for us to create it, it really fills me with joy and love.

——What do you think is the best feedback from the people who view your work?

TURY　We always find it fascinating to hear how people experience our art. For us, art is almost like an experiment, trying out ideas and seeing how people feel, how they relate to it, how it sits with them. So when we get feedback, we can pay even more attention to what it looks like. Focusing on how people interact with art is a huge part of our art. There is a term called"relational aesthetics,"and we think real art is an actual experience created when viewers come to PARCO MUSEUM TOKYO and interact with the artwork.

SAM　Yeah. We post our works online, but we cannot know how the people who see them actually experience. So it is always nice when people who see our art and experience them express to us what they feel. The good, the bad, the ugly, any emotion is the best feedback.

——What impressions do you have of Shibuya PARCO?

SAM　We love PARCO, a definitive landmark of Tokyo and Shibuya!　We are so happy about the opportunity for people to get experience our art here and we are also very grateful to NANZUKA family who are amazingly smart, kind and supportive of us.

TURY We have visited PARCO so many times even before it's renewal. I have seen many great works in the galleries and museums, and PARCO has always been an inspiring place that proves that products need art and design, and encourages the creation of such.

——Do you have any anecdotes about this trip to Japan?

TURY　I plan to blend in with the city of Tokyo, enjoy being here, eat lots of good food, and visit museums. For those of us who come from countries on opposite sides of the world, it is very exciting and interesting to know how the culture operates.

SAM We are planning to go to"Keiichi Tanaami:Adventure of Memory,"a large-scale solo exhibition by Keiichi Tanaami,who recently passed away. We were really happy to meet him and loved him so much. We also thinking about going to"Louise Bourgeois:I have been to hell and back.And let me tell you,it was wonderful"at the Mori Art Museum. This time many of our friends came from L.A., so we will hang along and show them new things. We will enjoy delicious foods in Japan, and hope to be inspired again by its culture.